Moving automation with notes

Hi all, a quick question - when I record a part and then record some automation (eg panning) on the same track —then if I decide to move that section left or right, the notes move but the automation doesn’t come along and stays in the same bars as it was recorded.

Is there a way to move the automation along with the notes, when moving left or right? The same goes for copy and paste/duplicating the part (the automation does not get duplicated, only the notes data).

I know of the idea about adding a sub track/‘track lane’ which only has the automation on it - and next time I’ll try to remember to do that - but I have a track already made with automation “in” the notes events and I want to move the whole thing by a few bars to the right 😂😂

So far I can only see ‘moving the notes and then going through each automation line, selecting all events and moving those by the same amount....

Any other ideas gratefully received - thank you!

Comments

  • It sounds like you've recorded track automation rather than pattern automation. Pattern automation moves with the pattern but track automation doesn't. I think the only way is to select the section you want to move and then copy it to the clipboard, delete it, move to the new position, and paste.

    Unfortunately there isn't any way to record mixer control automation into patterns.

  • edited October 14

    If you want panning automation to follow your part, you can assign OSC pan to a performance knob in Obsidian and automate that. Otherwise, what @number37 said.

    Edit: Except that copy-paste is not needed. Just select your range of track automation and move it with the handles like usual. Copy-paste might be a better fit for moves that require a lot of precision, but it’s not the only way.

  • edited October 15

    @Stiksi said:
    If you want panning automation to follow your part, you can assign OSC pan to a performance knob in Obsidian and automate that. Otherwise, what @number37 said.

    Edit: Except that copy-paste is not needed. Just select your range of track automation and move it with the handles like usual. Copy-paste might be a better fit for moves that require a lot of precision, but it’s not the only way.

    The use of handles to move elements around in NS2 is what sets it apart and makes it so much easier to use than any other iOS DAW IMHO. Tapping and dragging is not always a good way of working. I can rearrange an entire timeline in NS2 in seconds while it is playing back which is something you can’t do in any other DAW AFAIK. (I have used all of the main iOS DAWs.)

    In the case of moving the automation, you have the timeline ghosted and it’s simple to select the keyframes and move as appropriate. I think Matt’s implementation of the UX is genius.

  • Hi all - firstly sorry for the delay in replying!
    Thanks so much for your thoughts and suggestions on this - really helpful! I had been half-aware that there is a difference between 'track automation' and 'mixer automation' but not exactly sure about what goes where and how they might be different.

    @number37 and @Stiksi - I will see if I can put my mixer automation onto a performance knob - not something I would have thought of, but an interesting idea. I assume though, that only works for individual Obsidian instances, i.e. I couldn't automate the volume or pan or effects send for a 'collected' drum bus or parent track in this way. So maybe not the best option for me when mixing.

    @anickt - I TOTALLY AGREE that the handles-editing on ipad is the absolute best of all method for editing things on a grid on the ipad. I've also used all the other iPad DAWs and they seem to be built on from the 'click and drag-mouse' interaction, which I find very fiddly and inaccurate on iPad, (even with a Pencil) - My midi grid editing in Cubasis and Auria Pro is so unbelievably annoying and error-prone, I always think 'Damn why didnt they do this like NS2?" :) :)

    For the record, I completed my 'move to the right by one bar' task on my existing project the following way - I'll be honest, NS2 made this a lot easier than I thought, so another big shout out to Matt @Blip Interactive who deserves all the credit for the amazing UI implementation.

    1. Most important step! - I set the Grid resolution to 'One Bar' and 'Snap to Grid'
    2. I used Select All to get all the notes events.
    3. a simple pull to the right - everything (except the automation) moved one bar exactly.
    4. with the same grid settings, I went to the automation data on the main screen.
    5. for each track/automation data, I was able to 'select all' again and budge one bar to the right without worrying about accuracy problems ( the automation data shows the bar numbers in white and they change as you pull the data left and right)
    6. Only potential problem was being able to go through every line of automation data in one sitting, without being interrupted and losing my place ( family home haha)

    So my problem is solved, and I appreciate the replies - thank you!

    I will educate myself a bit about the two different types of automation (track vs mixer) and where they get saved/edited.

    Thanks!

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